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Shirley Says with Shirley Marcano episode 12 shares DIY tips and safety precautions (blog article later this week). Mike covers findings on a study from a Scientific American Mind article regarding eye movements during lucid dreams. Shirley and Mike later discuss their perspective on Serena Williams’s latest controversial tennis match including hypothetical sentiments on defeating an idol. Shirley Says is a podcast that will make you laugh, think, and learn. Any topic is fair game with layers as Shirley’s inquisitive nature is boundless.